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Dradis Aulmais wrote:Titan was in the defense fleet as a booster
Rigged
1700 in local
230 in titan fleet
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keenzi Akachi wrote:Dark Flare wrote:Dradis Aulmais wrote:Titan was in the defense fleet as a booster
Rigged 1700 in local 230 in titan fleet rigged dont forgot to mention your very special hardeners vs the spectrefleet in adition of the titanboost
Hardeners don't really make up for the other side having 6.5x the numbers.
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I Want ISK wrote:DJWiggles wrote:Both Nashh and Bobmon were on the show to talk about this and the backlash that happened in the media Enjoy Hello DJWiggles! I believe we have met before. In the interview, one of the biggest things anyone forgot to mention is that all of us, bobmon, Nassh, some bankers and myself actually were all in a teamspeak conversation and all sides of the story were listened to and the story concluded the way it concluded. With the information that bobmon posted on evenews24.com. Bobmon's article followed what he heard from both sides. Maybe being on live radio got him nervous enough to completely forget this, but it happened. The prize originally was intended for the final blow on the titan (the only bit of information actually available on the forum post). The final blow went to the defense fleet. (and thus an unfair fleet won technically) The defense fleet had a major logistical advantage and intel around the solar system. The defense fleet was not against everyone else. It was a free for all. After all, not blue, shoot it. The outcome of the defense fleet would not have been the same if it had been anyone else, because then that group would not have had the advantage that the defense fleet had. We actually would have liked to see a group hijack the titan and hold it till they decided to kill it which is likely to happen. In the end, the defense fleet that WAS organized by Nassh got the final blow on the titan. The defense fleet has been connected to Nassh. The defense fleet knew 48 hours before everyone else where the titan would be located. The defense fleet set up an impenetrable barrier that never engaged more than 250 people at once, even though there were 1700 people in local. (a defense barrier of reported 230+ members) The final blow was the only condition for winning. This caused us to change the giveaways to top damage. This is why we concluded with still sponsoring the live event (as we have bankers that will be there to do the giveaways of the rest of the ISK) but no longer sponsoring in-game events with this third party. The sanctity of competition was compromised.
I'm going to sell our impenetrable defense to PL, they're never going to lose a fight again.
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I'd also like to see proof that we never engaged more than 250 people at once.
Which you can't prove because it's not true.
And even if it were true (it isn't) I'm not sure how it would be our fault how many people warped in at a time.
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hey can we start a bet on your site about whether you have any PvP experience at all
i'd like to bet everything on no
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I Want ISK wrote:Regardless of what everyone's opinions on what went wrong and what went right is, our conclusion will not change.
The titan was killed by the defense fleet. A BIG NO NO.
We will no longer host in-game events using this third party.
The fight was indeed amazing.
* Especially for the defense fleet whom padded their kill mails and even got the titan kill.
We understand most players had fun but an event CAN be fun and end the wrong way. As this one did.
We are unhappy with how it was marketed and maintained as well as being unhappy with the fact that the defense fleet got the final blow, when the defense fleet should not have participated on the kill.
Since there is so much confusion, I would like Nassh Kadavr to apologize publicly to IwantISK.com and staff for making us look bad and for setting up an event to be in their fleet's favor causing the winner of the event to be a fleet member hired by the host. If no apology is found we will be forced to retract our sponsorship for #EVE_nt in any current and future events, be it live in person or in-game. Not a threat, a promise.
We're not arguing the outcome. Our conclusion is set in stone.
For those of you that seem to be confused as to how this was a fun little failure, repeat this in your own head.
"The titan was killed by the defense fleet. A BIG NO NO. "
Can you please explain to me how it's possible for Nassh to set up the event in favour of the defense fleet when he has no control over how many people or what ships come to attack it?
The defense fleet did not have an advantage over the others. In fact we were at a severe disadvantage. We held the field due to being well practiced in EVE pvp. And then killed the titan because otherwise it wouldn't have died.
I probably shouldn't be repeating this here, but here is the message given to me a couple of hours before the fight by a Snuff director:
"dir: you around early evening
dir: because there's a "kill a titan" event and there's going to be a few hundred hostiles"
Yes. You read it correctly. We prepared to take on a few hundred. Our fleet was comped to deal with a few hundred.
We actually took on 1.5 thousand.
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Right, because none of those 1.5k were an organised fleet. I mean, if you ignore the 500 man Spectre/Ganked fleet I guess. There were barely any independent parties on field.
You're pretty optimistic if you think this will ever be behind you. Nobody is going to forget what you've demonstrated in this thread.
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500 was just one of the fleets. The idea that you're trying to pitch that there wasn't a concerted effort to kill the defense fleet and Titan by most of the people on field is false.
But that's what happens when you talk from a position of little information and experience.
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Posted - 2015.01.06 15:28:09 -
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I've had 5 funs today
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I know you acknowledge at the start of your post that this isn't your usual fare, but you got a few things wrong.
I'm also surprised your fleets weren't advertised? Would've made them a lot easier to join. Anyway.
We were nowhere near the largest group on field.
We didn't "take the kill for ourselves". We killed the Titan because nobody else did. All the other fleets retreated, so what were our options at that point? We started to attack the Titan, and invited people to come back to try to get the killing blow. Which is something that is pretty much random, there's no way to guarantee it. There were still ~1200-1400 people in local at this point.
We certainly didn't know about it weeks ahead. As far as I know, very few people reshipped without warping off. It's difficult to reship from a carrier with tidi that bad, and it's very risky to try it as often you'll be nowhere near the carrier and in an expensive pod.
I would like to hear a reasonable suggestion of what should have been done differently.
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Can't answer that I'm afraid, looks like your Velator was killed by people who weren't us. Pod was by Shadow Cartel, but pods generally get volleyed off field in lowsec, just kinda how it is.
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DJWiggles wrote:Eldwinn wrote:Does I want isk even play this game anymore or do they just collect pay checks from RMT'ing? There was some mentions of us showing up to the event with no guns equipped. It is pretty clear your expectations are unrealistic and slightly ********.
To add, a majority of the fleet had no clue where the titan was until the last minute. A select few knew. Also to add in 4hours sitting on grid shooting you tend to move cyno alts and scan down wormhole chains to reship those who lost their ships. The intel gathered from other groups was done through spying and scouting. I don't "play" eve but I do a fair bit for the greater community etc with eve-radio and totaleve.com and IRL meet ups etc
Posted with wrong account? :O
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DJWiggles wrote:Dark Flare wrote:DJWiggles wrote:Eldwinn wrote:Does I want isk even play this game anymore or do they just collect pay checks from RMT'ing? There was some mentions of us showing up to the event with no guns equipped. It is pretty clear your expectations are unrealistic and slightly ********.
To add, a majority of the fleet had no clue where the titan was until the last minute. A select few knew. Also to add in 4hours sitting on grid shooting you tend to move cyno alts and scan down wormhole chains to reship those who lost their ships. The intel gathered from other groups was done through spying and scouting. I don't "play" eve but I do a fair bit for the greater community etc with eve-radio and totaleve.com and IRL meet ups etc Posted with wrong account? :O Nope ... this is my main account, I do have a 150M+ SP toon who I use if I want to do stuff in eve but for me personally the game is more for to comment on and be a part of the community than it is to play, hence what I do and how I do it
The dude asked if Iwantisk plays and you responded with "I don't but"...
As if you were IWantISK...
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AMGSiR wrote:You're welcome to opinion, but I personally will not ever use Chribba again, nor will I recommend anyone to Chribba because his actions in this situation make him untrustworthy in my eyes. I'm sure he doesn't care, but that's perfectly fine with me.
Just to clarify, you'd trust Chribba more if he violated his good faith as a 3rd party and sent the ISK to who he thinks "should" have it? That's the exact opposite of what you want from a 3rd party, their job is to uphold an agreement between themselves and whoever they're dealing with. Remember when F900ex decided to give stuff trusted to him as a third party to who he decided he wanted the rightful owner to be?
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AMGSiR wrote:Mr Spaxi wrote:Don't start another drama here, you bloody drama queens. Chribba is here to be a 3rd party, not to change deals; if he were to give the isk back to IWI, he would lose all of his credibility. Jesus, people, get out of your smart pants and stop making the community ****, you're just sad. This is also in response to Dark Flare as your replies were basically the same; No, I don't think Chribba should have just given the ISK back to I Want Isk because he thought it was the right thing to do, I just don't think he should have touched the money at all since he knew where it came from and the circumstances around it, from what I was told. I often hear people refer to EVE as "life" in a sense that, the way the game is designed and played, is somewhat like life due to the player and corporation run economy. And much like life, possession of stolen goods is just as illegal as stealing them. Do you know what happens when a politician knowingly and willingly accepts campaign contributions from criminals? They don't get elected, because our trust is in the politician, not the criminal, and we set different standards for the two. Obviously this isn't life and for the most part, nobody really cares, especially when it's someone as notable as Chribba involved -- but I feel the exact opposite for that reason. Chribba and I Want Isk are two of the biggest corporate entities in EVE and therefor require different standards than everybody else. But, to be fair, Chribba did say he would return the ISK if Nash agreed to do so which is a step in the right direction. Although I do think he should have said that in his first post when he acknowledged receiving the money, not after he was called out for shady actions. I guess my question is now, will Nash do the right thing here?
Everyone has scammed isk in their eve If Chribba didn't want to take it Nash could just send 100b of his own isk and keep the iwantisk money. Makes no difference.
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AMGSiR wrote:Dark Flare wrote:
Everyone has scammed isk in their eve If Chribba didn't want to take it Nash could just send 100b of his own isk and keep the iwantisk money. Makes no difference.
Speak for yourself. Some of us don't find fun in stealing other peoples hard earned isk. And there is a difference, Nash himself said on the stream he knew it wasn't his ISK to keep, and that it wouldn't be right to give the isk out at EVE_NT anymore, but he still felt it was right to give it to Chribba instead of the person who it belonged to. It's not the isk that's the problem, it's the principal. As I said in my previous post, Chribba offered to return it if Nash agreed, so let's see if he's willing to put his pride aside and do the right thing now.
Phone post, dropped the word wallet after "eve".
Your wallet has isk that at some point was scammed in it.
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Capt Sephiroth wrote:Just wanna add my view of this situation.
Bringing a defense fleet by the host was fine and was a very smart move to be honest in order to create content for the rest of the participants so kudos for that idea. However it should have stayed a defensive fleet, if the titan HAD to be destroyed then the defense fleet should have just backed off and let the other participants destroy it. By being in the defensive fleet you should have been automatically disqualified doing any significant damage to the objective you were protecting. If there was no need for that titan to be destroyed the event could have been postponed to a later date so people now knowing there would be a defensive fleet could come more organized. Cause lets be honest that was the real case of why the defensive fleet was able to withstand even after being pitted versus such "odds". It has been proven throughout the history that a smaller but better organized, equipped, trained and not to mention seasoned army would delete a larger army that is opposite in all of those qualities, not to mention it was a free for all and not attacking vs defensive fleet. That would have been a much better way of promo and nash would come out as a great host.
But that was not the case. From my point of view Nash as the host took advantage of the rules not being specific enough, that was maybe due to the lack of knowledge or experience or just too much trust into the hostee. He did not break the rules, but he did turn out to be a bad host, which is not to be much of a surprise considering we are talking about Eve, where morally sound, honest and fair people are a rare occurrence, almost as rare as unicorns.
Nash made a plan with shadow cartel to create content and "fun" for them, if you can call fun doing something that requires as much thought as pressing F1 on an asteroid cause that's how much of a risk were the "attackers". They filled up their kb and wallets cause I for one can presume that those 100bil didn't even go to cherubim or w/e his name is and then stayed with him to be used for that charity event, cause well 100bil will be a hell of a lot plexes or other prizes to give out and an obvious spike should occur. The reasoning behind that is if he is playing that role of a 3rd party not guided by any morals but just currency then nothing should come as a surprise.
In conclusion I support IWI for denying to fulfill their end of the contract even though Nash technically didn't break any rules given by the contractor he still did take advantage of that in the bad way and thus betrayed the mindset and the idea behind the event. There is little they can do but deny having any involvement with those parties and continue forward trying out new ideas and hosts to promote themselves.
Best regards
Capt Sephiroth
P.S. I was quite saddened by the fact that an alliance I had such high regard and respect for being involved in such low blows and dirty tricks to create content for their members
In future I'll give you a call to find out how many attacking ships we're allowed to destroy before we have to let them kill the titan yeah? For the full four hours we were fighting. There was no opportunity to "just back off" without losing a significant portion of our fleet. At no point did we want the ISK prize, nor did we expect it. The complaints are entirely about the fact that IWantISK has called Nash untrustworthy when he hasn't done a single untrustworthy thing.
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AMGSiR wrote:If what you say is true, then why did Nash give the ISK away to Chribba instead of keeping it, for all of his hard work advertising the event? Because he knew it wasn't right to keep it. He said it so himself, live on EVE Radio.
Besides, I can assure you that I Want Isk did the majority of the advertising for this event, not Nash.
No, he didn't keep it to use as rewards because of the relationship breakdown between IWantISK and Nash. He would have been perfectly fine keeping it for himself, but out of respect donated it to charity. I can't believe you're trying to turn that into a bad thing.
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Capt Sephiroth wrote:Dark Flare wrote: In future I'll give you a call to find out how many attacking ships we're allowed to destroy before we have to let them kill the titan yeah? For the full four hours we were fighting. There was no opportunity to "just back off" without losing a significant portion of our fleet. At no point did we want the ISK prize, nor did we expect it. The complaints are entirely about the fact that IWantISK has called Nash untrustworthy when he hasn't done a single untrustworthy thing. You talking about having no opportunity to "just back off" would maybe have some sense if there was no video of the event that clearly shows what the situation was at the end before the call to destroy the Titan came in. And even if you did lose anything which I highly doubt, you would surely be compensated from that 100bil that nash had not to mention that you would be there to provide content for the rest of the pilots, not yourselves. That sentence of yours has absolutely no weight for an excuse. Of course you weren't there for the ISK prize, nor did you expect it when you knew that it would turn out this way, that they would back off from the rest of the funding, you might have done an immoral thing but you are not dumb, you expected it. Now on to your other post. Yeah he "donated" it to a person that took the role of a no morals just $$$ and his own interest for the sole purpose of trying to repair image and poor try of damage control to make Nash look more of a victim. We all know what those people are like, he is no different than the scamers that "double" your isk in all the major hubs, just a bit more sophisticated. If the event isn't done by CCP then there is no reason to believe that it wasn't rigged in one way or the other.
What, at the end when there was no-one on field to kill the Titan except us? Yeah warping out then would've done loads.
And no, Nash didn't give us any money, nor was there an offer of any money, nor any "insurance" against lost ships. Please don't make things up when you have no idea what you're talking about.
What exactly did we do that was immoral please?
The event went fine. It generated a lot of advertising for IWantISK. The 100B was for doing exactly that. It was Nash's money. The fact that IWantISK demanded it back does not make it not his anymore, just like if I paid for a service I couldn't demand the money back.
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Capt Sephiroth wrote:Aw my... I won't even bother commenting on that 1st sentence.
Yeah, you saying it makes it true.
Knowingly being part of something immoral makes you immoral as well.
As for the last paragraph... Wait what? Of course they demanded it back when they didn't get the service you paid for. Its like you demanding your money back from the provider that you left a broken TV at to be repaired and paid for it only to find out when you got it back that it is not in fully working order, meaning you did not get what you paid for. I'm guessing when and if that ever happens to you you will just accept it and not do or say anything? Good man.
What was immoral?
Why do you think the event didn't go as planned?
We formed a defense fleet so that the titan wouldn't be dead in 2minutes. Everyone involved had a great fight, on both sides. It was 4 hours of brawling. At the end of that time, the other major fleets warped off and started heading out of system. When we discovered they didn't plan to fight any longer, we offered a temporary truce to allow them to come back and shoot at the Titan to try to get the final blow while we killed it. Unfortunately someone affiliated with Nash got the final blow (which is basically pot luck).
Nash suggested to IWI that the prize should go to the top damage dealer instead, as they were unaffiliated. Which seems like a perfectly sensible resolution to me.
It's amusing to me that the vast majority of complaints are coming from people who weren't even involved in the fight. Everyone involved thought it was a great event.
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Corbin DalIas wrote:Protovarious wrote:English is your second language I take it. That's fine, this is an international game. So let me break it down for you: I AM NOT UNBIASED ...in anything I publish - be it blogs or podcasts. Ask anyone. Don't like it? Don't let the door hit ya where my boot kicked ya. You're being awfully apologetic for IWantISK. It's amusing. Believe me, IWantISK has already lost accounts from this and when I'm done, they'll lose A LOT more. By the way, has anyone taken a look at those community-friendly people over at http://www.eve-bet.com ? Those guys know customer service. EVE-BET.COM - The OFFICIAL headlining sponsor of #Eve_nt! (Get used to this folks, I'll be plugging them for awhile) YOU ARE BIASED. not unbiased. I take it thinking is not your first language.
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Lenny Kravitz2 wrote:Protovarious wrote:If you did not listen to both interviews on GRN Eve Radio then please do so before inserting your foot deeper into your mouth.
Fact - The defense fleet (regardless of whether it was organized or not) held the field. Everyone was invited back to get in on kill because the titan HAD to die. It was by happenstance that someone on the defense fleet got the final blow.
Fact - It was conceded by IWantISK that Nashh NEVER intended to give the 20 bil to the final blow since it happened to come from someone in the defense fleet. So for those crying about it, shut up.
Fact - It was further conceded by IWantISK that Nashh offered up the 20 bil to the top damage dealer instead. Nashh NEVER indicated that the ISK was awarded to the defense fleet member. The notion that it was IWantISK's idea to change the awarded party indicates you did not listen to the interview on the BC Show.
Fact - Bobmon ran with the half-baked story because he was in comms when Nashh was ambushed by seven members of IWantISK's staff / board. Despite the fact that there were NO accusations made of purposeful misconduct at the time, Bobmon took his tabloid title for the article to drive traffic to his site.
Fact - By IWantISK's own admission, they concluded that Nashh did not intend to corrupt the event. The reason they pulled sonsorship of #Eve_nt was because Nashh refused to bend over and apologize for the killing blow fiasco despite putting on a successful event otherwise.
You can disagree with how the remaining ISK was given to Chribba if you want to, but the fact remains that if I would have been treated the way Nashh (A WELL KNOWN AND TRUSTED CONTENT CREATOR TO THIS GAME) was treated by some elitist jerk sitting on a pile of space pixel money, Id've taken that 100bil ISK and converted it to PLEX in the cargo hold of the nearest Atron in Jita and let the chips fall where they may. Nobody deserves that kind of disrespect and you who are swallowing EN24's drivel are complete gullible tools. If you believe IWantISK are the victims here, then you clearly are what's wrong with this community.
There has not been ONE person that was directly involved with the organizing of the event, it's sponsor, nor Bobmon himself (who still has not printed a retraction of the title of the related article) that there was ANY intentional effort to undermine this event.
Now instead of trying to drive a content creator out of the game (because it's easier to **** on somebody rather than create the content for yourselves) how about you actually stop shitposting about it like it was YOUR isk. It wasn't. The top damage dealer got the ISK and this was acceptable to all parties (Including the defense fleet). Nashh offered up 20 bil of his OWN ISK in order to appease the situation.
Further attempts at trying to scandalize this event and drop a drama cyno because you want to rage about something only shows that you either DON'T have all the information or are choosing not to listen to facts. The event is done. Now go find something else important to rage about. First I don't believe IWantISK were the victims....nor anyone for that matter. I think that IWantISK was upset because the players were not the ones that really took down the titan. Also, the defense fleet was a great idea and that wasn't the problem. The problem (from what I have heard) was that the defense fleet held the field after 7-8 hours of people trying to kill the titan. After like hour 4 or 5, they should have stopped shooting people and said that if people could break the tank, they can kill the titan. And my last tidbit is, if you are a 'trusted' content generator, then you don't keep ISK if someone drops your sponsorship because they didn't like how you performed. Good practice is to return it and learn from whatever mistakes were made and work to do a better job next time. Giving that ISK to a competitor, who will use it to promote their own advertisement events is even more of a problem and further takes away from the 'trusted' content generator bit. tl;dr More communication should have happened, Nashh should have had his fleet back off a bit after a good fight, and he should not have given ISK that wasn't his to a competitor of the peeps that sponsored him. my 2 cents
Er, the fight DID only last 4hours. Where you pulled 8 hours from I have NFI.
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Corbin DalIas wrote:Protovarious wrote:Corbin DalIas wrote:Protovarious wrote:English is your second language I take it. That's fine, this is an international game. So let me break it down for you: I AM NOT UNBIASED ...in anything I publish - be it blogs or podcasts. Ask anyone. Don't like it? Don't let the door hit ya where my boot kicked ya. You're being awfully apologetic for IWantISK. It's amusing. Believe me, IWantISK has already lost accounts from this and when I'm done, they'll lose A LOT more. By the way, has anyone taken a look at those community-friendly people over at http://www.eve-bet.com ? Those guys know customer service. EVE-BET.COM - The OFFICIAL headlining sponsor of #Eve_nt! (Get used to this folks, I'll be plugging them for awhile) YOU ARE BIASED. not unbiased. I take it thinking is not your first language. Will someone please translate what "not unbiased" means. Not unbiased means I am biased. You've proven your incompetence. You're arguing with yourself, dude. Just stop. You're giving your website a worse name than it already has. So you're biased. Learn to be unbiased before posting information.
If you followed that rule you wouldn't have any posts in this thread.
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Lenny Kravitz2 wrote:Protovarious wrote:AMGSiR wrote:What Lenny Kravtiz2 said is exactly why I got involved with this topic. I also don't really give a **** about how the event was handled, as both sides made mistakes. However, Nash, being a trusted (lol?) host for EVE means he does NOT get to make stupid, butthurt judgement calls like giving away sponsored ISK just because he was pissed off and didn't want to return it to the sponsor.
We get it. Nash was upset and felt cornered. But that doesn't change a damn thing. The ties were severed, the event was over, the drama would have died down -- then Nash blew the top off the entire thing by not returning the ISK he was given IN EXCESS OF THE TITAN'S COST back to the sponsor.
Nash screwed up, big time. I will make it my mission in this game to let everyone know about his theft unless he returns the ISK. If by "butthurt" judgement calls you mean making a decision based on being harassed on comms, besmirched on EN24, and subsequently harassed via text to give money back that he had no written or verbal agreement to do so, then you put a price tag on your pride and decide how much it's worth. Personally, I admire that the money went to Chribba instead of my alternative. IWantISK just learned a 100bil ISK lesson. Again, agree with it or not, that judgement wasn't ours to make. It became personal so as a result, a decision was made that both satisfied Nashh's need to wash his hands of it, and still put the ISK to good use without having to claim anything to IWantISK. Show me an agreement that was made and I'll support your opinion about returning the ISK. Until then, it wasn't theft. From everything that I had read, EN24 ran with the news before the coms bit was even done. So we can safely assume that I Want Isk had nothing to do with the article. Also, your comment about you admire that the money went to Chribba completely throws off your whole Nashh is a trusted content event coordinator. Essentially everyone else that isn't bro's with Nashh won't trust him with their isk becuase if he doesn't do the job they thought he would and they get upset with it, he will keep their isk or give it to their competitor. There is no 100 billion isk lesson to be learned here. This wasn't a situation where a no named person told I Want Isk to trust them to put on an event and then they took off with the Isk. This was a known and 'trusted' individual who was provided fundings to hold an event, the sponsor didn't like how things turned out and after talking about it decided to pull the sponsorship and give the players that participated the rest of the Isk. Nashh could have washed his hands and boosted his PR by just giving the Isk back so that the players that participated could get more Isk. Also, if he had kept a cool head about it, he could have saved the sponsorship or at least regained it at a later date. Instead he gave it to a competitor....which in his line of work is probably the dumbest thing he could do. Mistakes happen and I am sure that both sides screwed up. Add to this getting blown out of proportion and egos being bruised, you have a fail cascade. The sponsor is the client, Nashh's job was to make the client happy. If the client didn't like his work, all he had to do was accept that and see what he could do to fix it. I Want Isk probably overreacted to the situation. From what I had heard, people had a blast... so we know the event wasnt all that messed up. I just think that I Want Isk wanted to make sure that the participants of the event (not the host or those that were helping him), gained as much as they could (both fun and Isk). If you consider that point of view, you can see how this situation got messed up far more then it should when Nashh refused to give the rest of the Isk back. Bottom line: That isk was meant for the I Want Isk event and those that participated NOT Chribba or his events. Nashh can no longer be considered trusted now and there is no sense in defending him.
Nash didn't break an agreement when he kept the ISK (and subsequently gave it to Chribba). He fulfilled everything that was asked when the ISK was handed over, it was after the event that IWI decided to change his mind and demand it back. It's amusing because IWI was fine with just not giving the money to the final blow (which we all expected anyway when it was us who held the field) until hordes of people who weren't even involved started whinging. It was after that that he went full dumb and demanded a public apology from Nash and the isk returned.
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